3/13/2023 0 Comments Speedrunners game modes![]() Originally posted by Delrus7I only mean artificial in the sense that the doing-it-fast part of speedrunning is not necessarily intended by the game itself. This topic has been beat to death and doing nothing but disagreeing with people for the sake of disagreeing is bound to accomplish nothing other than to annoy people.įunado funado, happycamper_ happycamper_ and 3 others ![]() There is no devils advocate to play here. Just a VC and a group of people who don’t even want to play the game, they just want to lose.īut again, you already know this and it has been repeated many times, as you’ve mentioned. Its a speedrun in the most basic form of itself, with no skill or routing. When you eliminate every aspect of what makes the game itself to just turn it into a loss, then it’s not even showing off content. You can’t speedrun PVP games to a win condition usually because that takes longer and it’s nearly impossible to guarantee a win of players not in your group are present. You’re not even watching a game at that point, nobody is really even playing a game anymore, they’re just hitting some buttons to die as quick as possible. That alone leads to nothing but incredibly boring runs if all you’re doing is watching a group of 100 players get in a circle and blow themselves up, or if you’re watching a group of people vote out Imposters. You agree with what people are saying, but you’re intentionally disagreeing with them, which is arguing.Īll of your points boil down to somehow finding a way to justify PVP speedruns by achieving the worst possible outcome (losing) as fast as possible. So, yes, I’d wager most of us see your points as arguments because that’s all you’re doing. All you’re doing is reiterating the same thing every other user has ever said in an attempt to persuade the staff to add PVP games, and those points have been refuted for years now. What you’re doing is indeed being argumentative, because you’re not actually proposing any ideas. “Playing Devil’s Advocate” is a fancy way of saying “I like to argue but I don’t want to seem rude about it”. ![]() Originally posted by Delrus7 I hope you don't see my replies as arguments! I'm just playing around with the ideas. You can make a goal of "finish a match as fast as you can", but that would be arbitrary goal which wasn't exist before.Īlso, when all the players in both sides cooperate in a manner to reach that goal (finish the match fast), you artificially turn it into a single player/coop game. The goal is just to win in a match against other players or teams. Now, when you take PvP games, there is no clear end with a goal of "finishing the game". It doesn't matter if the game was originally developed with the intent of speedrunning it or not. There can be some artificial extra goals or restrictions, making different categories but the end goal is still the same - finish the game or segments of it, but fast. ![]() This is similar with games that have co-op option. It doesn't matter if you are a casual player or a speedrunner in that regard. Many single player games have a clear end, and your goal as a player is to reach that end. Delrus7 Delrus7 I think the keyword here is "artificial".
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